Comments on: Molotov India http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/molotov-india/ expression what else Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:12:02 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: astralwicks http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/molotov-india/#comment-422 astralwicks Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:20:49 +0000 http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/?p=149#comment-422 debate's have to be fought through. and those dots don't mean any abuse. i even wanted to avoid the word so... debate’s have to be fought through. and those dots don’t mean any abuse. i even wanted to avoid the word so…

]]> By: gudus http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/molotov-india/#comment-421 gudus Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:01:58 +0000 http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/?p=149#comment-421 astral beta...be nice to her astral beta…be nice to her

]]> By: gudus http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/molotov-india/#comment-420 gudus Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:00:00 +0000 http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/?p=149#comment-420 btw good post. i remember the debate which sprung up during the bhajji controversy. I agreed with many, India is so prejudiced and casteist within, one could almost suggest that it's the most subversively racist country in the world today btw good post.
i remember the debate which sprung up during the bhajji controversy. I agreed with many, India is so prejudiced and casteist within, one could almost suggest that it’s the most subversively racist country in the world today

]]> By: myexpression http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/molotov-india/#comment-419 myexpression Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:50:51 +0000 http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/?p=149#comment-419 thanx astral... thanx astral…

]]> By: astralwicks http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/molotov-india/#comment-418 astralwicks Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:44:42 +0000 http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/?p=149#comment-418 oh and i forgot to reply to my expression - what difference if i had not mentioned my .... NOTHING. oh and i forgot to reply to my expression – what difference if i had not mentioned my …. NOTHING.

]]> By: astralwicks http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/molotov-india/#comment-417 astralwicks Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:40:51 +0000 http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/?p=149#comment-417 @gudus thanks for pointing the error. at least there are some comments happening. getting to the point. my mentioning my so called caste in the beginning was to tell the kind of conditioning I was surrounded by. brahmin or not brahmin, i hope, we all agree that we are conditioned. some of their superiority and others of their inferiority. ways of lookin, receiving and interpreting. i agree that me not wearing my 'janeu' could be a style statement and deep inside i could be a fascist. people who know me will know me. who i am will be revealed by what i do and what i say. what you guys are talking of is the kind of guilt the germans are subjected to because of the nazis or the kind of chest thumping right - winders expect of indian muslims whenever there is a bomb blast. this constant desire to be apologetic does more harm than good. i must be seen for what i am not what my ancestors did. one has to read the sentence in a context and not according to one's simplified perceptions of what the other is because of caste or no caste. the net has been cast. @gudus thanks for pointing the error.
at least there are some comments happening. getting to the point. my mentioning my so called caste in the beginning was to tell the kind of conditioning I was surrounded by. brahmin or not brahmin, i hope, we all agree that we are conditioned. some of their superiority and others of their inferiority. ways of lookin, receiving and interpreting. i agree that me not wearing my ‘janeu’ could be a style statement and deep inside i could be a fascist. people who know me will know me. who i am will be revealed by what i do and what i say. what you guys are talking of is the kind of guilt the germans are subjected to because of the nazis or the kind of chest thumping right – winders expect of indian muslims whenever there is a bomb blast. this constant desire to be apologetic does more harm than good. i must be seen for what i am not what my ancestors did. one has to read the sentence in a context and not according to one’s simplified perceptions of what the other is because of caste or no caste. the net has been cast.

]]> By: gudus http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/molotov-india/#comment-416 gudus Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:28:34 +0000 http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/?p=149#comment-416 dude i think there's been some sort of a freudian slip kind of a thing on your part, maybe you more conscious of your caste than you actually think...i don't think you are "brandishing of your sentiment that you belong to a superior tribe, though very quietly" though. another thing, its RAJIV goswami, the overnight hero dude i think there’s been some sort of a freudian slip kind of a thing on your part, maybe you more conscious of your caste than you actually think…i don’t think you are “brandishing of your sentiment that you belong to a superior tribe, though very quietly” though.
another thing, its RAJIV goswami, the overnight hero

]]> By: myexpression http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/molotov-india/#comment-415 myexpression Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:55:47 +0000 http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/?p=149#comment-415 do we need to know that its a jungle out there... i guess we know it already... don't u think thats what we need to fight... no we'll not quibble forever... both memory and identity are weaknesses for a society... they are traps... all i wanted was a simple thing, to know if not mentioning your caste would have made your write up weak? yes or no. let me try and explain; firstly ur writing is not reeking of vendetta... it looks like a brahmin boy not very sure of the happenings around him looked at reservations and thought that he will still make something of himself or fend for himself, how he did not know but still... and not to forget that he had the sacred thread ceremony though he does not wear it... then you tell me more things... before winding up and saying that the real dividing line will be rich and poor... i totally agree but astral how will anyone as you said' 'Psychologically I am still being identified by my caste', if you mention it just like that... do we need to know that its a jungle out there… i guess we know it already… don’t u think thats what we need to fight…

no we’ll not quibble forever…
both memory and identity are weaknesses for a society… they are traps…
all i wanted was a simple thing, to know if not mentioning your caste would have made your write up weak? yes or no.

let me try and explain; firstly ur writing is not reeking of vendetta… it looks like a brahmin boy not very sure of the happenings around him looked at reservations and thought that he will still make something of himself or fend for himself, how he did not know but still…
and not to forget that he had the sacred thread ceremony though he does not wear it… then you tell me more things… before winding up and saying that the real dividing line will be rich and poor… i totally agree but astral how will anyone as you said’ ‘Psychologically I am still being identified by my caste’, if you mention it just like that…

]]> By: astralwicks http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/molotov-india/#comment-414 astralwicks Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:00:15 +0000 http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/?p=149#comment-414 we will quibble forever. memory and identity are not weaknesses. and yes, we are living in quite a dumb world. that smacks of arrogance but being a victim of cateist or racial bias is nothing new...at least not in india. look at our sunday matrimonials. the sooner we accept that it is a jungle out there, the better. and there are new biases being born every day. oh your kid is not at IB, oh she is from IIM. oh you work in the film industry (must be corrupt and debauched) etc etc we will quibble forever. memory and identity are not weaknesses. and yes, we are living in quite a dumb world. that smacks of arrogance but being a victim of cateist or racial bias is nothing new…at least not in india. look at our sunday matrimonials. the sooner we accept that it is a jungle out there, the better. and there are new biases being born every day. oh your kid is not at IB, oh she is from IIM. oh you work in the film industry (must be corrupt and debauched) etc etc

]]> By: v http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/molotov-india/#comment-413 v Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:12:55 +0000 http://astralwicks.wordpress.com/?p=149#comment-413 you might be correct i'm not doubting ur honesty... i'll believe that u did not do it knowingly but astral there are lot of things which people do, not knowingly like > asking surnames of people who do not look like them or have the same accent > looking at dark people and saying that they must be illiterate and from some schedule caste > looking at a woman and deciding on her fate sadly a lot of times they are people who have been educated who do not flaunt their caste and have faced marginalization at some point or other. they are sensitive. i just wondered if ur not mentioning ur caste would have created a deficiency in ur writing. i guess when u mention such a thing has a lot to do with ur conditioning... may be we all need to forget our father's and mother's name. you might be correct i’m not doubting ur honesty… i’ll believe that u did not do it knowingly but astral there are lot of things which people do, not knowingly like

> asking surnames of people who do not look like them or have the same accent

> looking at dark people and saying that they must be illiterate and from some schedule caste

> looking at a woman and deciding on her fate

sadly a lot of times they are people who have been educated who do not flaunt their caste and have faced marginalization at some point or other. they are sensitive. i just wondered if ur not mentioning ur caste would have created a deficiency in ur writing. i guess when u mention such a thing has a lot to do with ur conditioning… may be we all need to forget our father’s and mother’s name.

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